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RE: [IPk] Pump v's Lantus MDI - the 3rd way?

hi, just to say iv never had problems with lantus stinging.iv been on lantus
and 3 short acting   doses aday and find it works really well for me, im not
afraid to alter my dose as i need to and injct more often if i need to,i
test my bg around 12 times a day,so i suppose its similar to being on a pump
.iv tested my bg so often since the birth of my 2nd son when i had a severe
hypo when home alone with my 20 month son and 2 week old son,it really
freaked me out, my hubbie had gone to work and i woke up feeling bad tested
my sugar and the reading was LOso i knew i was gonna fit and lose
conciousness,the next thing i remember is little jack shouting at me and i
had bitten my tongue and scratched my face so i know i must of fitted,i feel
so lucky i woke up,i was terrified after this and became obsessed with
checking my bg for a while i was doing around 20 bg a day!!
glad to say iv not had a bad hypo since, but after having a baby your sugar
levels go haywire and you can lose warning symtoms until its too late.
its strange, i dont know if anyone else has this but normally if i go low in
the night ever something always wakes me up before it goes too low. as i
said the only tme i didnt was after my pregnasncies.
            gail(iddm 22 year,since the age of 6 and mum to 3 little boys.)

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Date: Thursday, May 01, 2003 19:48:34
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Subject: RE: [IPk] Pump v's Lantus MDI - the 3rd way?

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Maybe I can persuade Sasha's consultant to let us try this regimen as he
hear of her having a pump.

I have heard other people commenting on the fact that Lantus can sting when

> About six weeks ago I started experiencing very high BG's for no apparent
> reason, while on my new D-Tron Plus (Humalog). I was having problems with
> the sites becoming red and swollen, though not full infections, and so I
> started to change my Tender sets every 48 hours. This did not bring the
> high BG's down, and they remained in the teens.
> After a week of endless set changing, scrutinising for mechanical problems

> (on my new and seemingly good D-Tron Plus), and extra careful carb
> counting/testing, I raised my basal rate from 16u to 19u, spread evenly
> 24hrs. This had little effect on my blood readings, and I began to worry
> about my control on the pump.
> After careful deliberation, I decided to go to the hospital and ask to try

> Lantus - why not? what was there to lose?
> The nurses and doctors agreed that the BG's were high without obvious
> explanation, though a urine test had revealed some white blood cells
> indicating a possible urinary tract infection.
> Nevertheless, with my sugars running high (not below 11mmol unless I
> injected Humalog instead of delivering via pump), problems with site
> infections, and a judgement that the Humalog itself was causing large BG
> swings prior to the problems.....
> I TOOK OFF my pump, and started on a Lantus(Glargine) and Novorapid MDI
> regime. The nurse worked out an initial dose of 24u Lantus to be taken at
> 10pm each evening, based on a total daily dose of 40u Humalog on the pump.
> Armed with precise carbohydrate counting, and adjustment of insulin dose
> exercise/food types and volume, learnt from my time on the pump, I can
> honestly say that it has been a complete success so far, over the past
> month. I have had regualr BG's throughout the day of between 5 - 9mmol,
> unheard of on the pump or previously under Insulatard(evil)/Novoapid
> regimes.
> The move from Humalog to Novorapid is also significant. The Novorapid
> action curve is less sleep than Humalog. I find this beneficial, as
> my BG can rise intially after a meal - after three hours it GRADUALLY
> returns to between 6 - 8mmol, as opposed to with Humalog, where the BG
> returns to normal more rapidly, and the rapid drop in BG can *seem* like a

> hypo.
> Drawbacks:
> - I have to inject again, and have therefore had to be careful to rotate
> sites on my stomach/side/bum as I have very little fat, though this is a
> minor inconvenience in comparison with set changes/wearing a pump
> - I have also had to adjust my Lantus dose if I have taken heavy exercise
> I am still perfecting this, and snacks are needed during exercise due to
> background unsulin flowing around.
> - The Lantus is also quite painful to inject - this has been noted by many

> users.
> My improved control on Lantus is also surprising given that I do not have
> *flat* basal rate. On the pump, my hourly basal rate - settled over an 8
> month period, varied from 0.5u at midnight to 1.3u in the early morning,
> indicating a dawn phenomenon and therefore uneven insulin requirement. My
> fasting morning BG using Lantus have been between 3.8 and 9mmol (WOW! -
> me this ia great surprise) and I have felt energised on waking and during
> exercise. I await my HbA1c in two months for a complete picture of my
> control........
> I moved from MDI (Insulatard/Novorapid) to pump therapy in February 2002,
> due to very high morning BG's and likely night time hypos. I should add
> that I tried using Humalog three years ago, pre-carb counting, and I found

> it made my sugar swing too quickly, giving false hypo warnings. I have
> a huge fan of my Disetronic pump and it improved my BG and quality of life

> hugely.
> My move from the pump onto Lantus, which some may see as backward - to me
> seems sideways and upwards, has further improved my control, althougn
> marginal in terms of readings, and I hope that this may continue. If I am
> able to achieve similar/better control using Lantus/Novorapid MDI, I would

> much rather be taking injections than using a pump. Oh, and its
> cheaper.........
> At the risk of jutting my head out over the parapet - for those like me,
> have moved straight from Insulatard regimes onto a pump (Lantus came out
> after my therapy switch), and who never used carb counting under MDI,
> may just be worth a shot.....
> Louis
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