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Re: [IPk] Re: ip-uk-digest V3 #1385 - Complications

Hi Diana

I see your point about age, my mum is 70 and lives on fried and fatty foods 
and can't see why her GP has put her on meds for cholesterol she also smokes 
like a trooper, but that has nothing to do with her chest infection!
One friend is type 1 the other is type 2. We were on a camping holiday with 
the type 1 a while ago and I tested just before lunch, when I asked her why 
she wasn't testing she said she hadn't even took her testing equipment on 
hols with her because there was no point as her BM's were always in range.
I am not purposley eating low carbs all the time, but I am having real 
problems with fluctuations in readings that, being as that my BS were pretty 
stable(due to constant testing and running on a temp basal) at the time, and 
because we were still likely to be out for a few hours I didn't want to 
tempt fate by eating thinsg like rice and pitta breads so I had salad.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Diana Maynard" <email @ redacted>
To: <email @ redacted>
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [IPk] Re: ip-uk-digest V3 #1385 - Complications

> Hi Deb
> How old you are doesn't really make a difference, people of any age can be 
> oblivious to the dangers and can ignore all the sensible advice! Look at 
> all the people who smoke!  The thing is that there are different ways of 
> getting through to people. Personally I would say to your friend something 
> like
> "I'm so envious of you, how on earth do you manage to keep your blood 
> sugar under control without testing?" and then steer the conversation to 
> worries about complications and so on. Maybe you can even just offer to 
> test her blood sugar "out of interest"  while she's eating her crisps and 
> orange juice! There are lots of ways to subtly try to help her change her 
> views (it took me months to get my dad to even test his BG, and to realise 
> that drinking full-sugar Coke at lunch was far worse than having a small 
> bowl of ice cream!). Is your friend type I or II by the way?
> Out of interest why did you go for the lowest carb meal in the Mexican? 
> Are you trying to eat low carb? Or were you just worried about getting the 
> carb content right? In those situations I just test a lot and keep 
> adjusting.
> Di
> deb.wardle123 wrote:
>> Hi Diana
>> I can understand that as a teenager taking your meds regular and 
>> following advise is not a priority. I have a 17  year old daughter with 
>> epilepsy and touretts and although she hates the conditions I still have 
>> to nag her every day to take her medications. However the friends of mine 
>> that are diabetic are both pushing 50, and were both diagnosed before me 
>> and were full of advise and information when I was diagnosed and therfore 
>> are aware of the complications. We go to a quiz each week with one of 
>> them and she spends the entire evening eating crisps and mini cheddars 
>> and drinking Britvic 55(30% sugars) without bating an eyelid! She even 
>> goes home to Lemon meranguine pie and cream. I sit there with my water 
>> and testing strips. We went into Manchester with the other diabetic 
>> friend last week for my husbands 50th, my friend drank pints of cider for 
>> 5 hours and then tucked into a Mxican loaded with carbs and didnt test 
>> once.  I was alternating halfs of lager with water and choose the lowest 
>> carb meal on the menu and was testing every couple of hours. It seems no 
>> matter how hard I try I just can't get it right.
>> Deb
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Maynard" 
>> <email @ redacted>
>> To: <email @ redacted>
>> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 9:31 AM
>> Subject: [IPk] Re: ip-uk-digest V3 #1385 - Complications
>>> I used to be like that in my teens and if you looked at me and my 
>>> lifestyle you'd have said the same thing. however it caught up with me 
>>> later (although I felt and looked fine at the time) and now have severe 
>>> retinopathy and am registered blind.  On the other hand my dad (also 
>>> type I) was like me and did everything wrong for years, and still has no 
>>> real complications after 55 years of being diabetic! Chances are your 
>>> friends will suffer later though if they continue as they are, have you 
>>> tried talking to them at all about it? As a child and teenager noone 
>>> really told me that I should take more care of myself or gave me any 
>>> support with it, and since I felt fine I thought I was invincible. 
>>> Turned out I wasn't.
>>> Di
>>> Tom Falconer wrote:
>>>> Deb,
>>> > I am sorry to say that I was one of those lucky so-and-so's for
>>> many > years.?
>>> It
>>>> is only in the last eight years that I have had problems controlling my 
>>>> blood
>>> > sugars, and before that I rarely did blood tests, or bothered
>>> measuring > food
>>> or
>>>> anything.? Now, though, things are very different.? Luckily I do not 
>>>> have any
>>>> retinopathy problems, or other complications beyond trigger finger and 
>>>> frozen
>>>> shoulder.? Perhaps it is genetic, but then, so is diabetes...
>>>> Tom
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: deb.wardle123 <email @ redacted>
>>>> To: email @ redacted
>>>> Sent: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:17
>>> > Subject: [?? Probable Spam] Re: [IPk] Re: ip-uk-digest V3 #1385 -
>>> Complications
>>>> I agree completeley. I have two diabetic friends, who completely abuse
>>>> their diabetes, eating and drinking what they want and to excess. 
>>>> Rarely test their BS, and take their meds as and when they remember, 
>>>> but appear to
>>>> have no problems or complications. It  makes me mad when I see their 
>>>> casual attitude towards it when despite having a pump and doing 
>>>> everything by the
>>>> book I don't have good control and have lots of complications. We 
>>>> fought
>>>> for two years to get the pump, expecting it to be the end of my 
>>>> troubles, and although things are better I still have problems because 
>>>> I have other problems that have an effect on my diabetes. I worry 
>>>> myself sick about the
>>>> long term effects of uncontrolled diabetes, and can only hope that when 
>>>> my
>>>> other issues get sorted things will get better.
>>>> Deb
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Moody" 
>>>> <email @ redacted>
>>>> To: <email @ redacted>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:54 PM
>>>> Subject: [IPk] Re: ip-uk-digest V3 #1385 - Complications
>>>>> How I agree with Melissa. I get really angry when people accuse
>>>> diabetics
>>>>> with complications of not managing their condition properly.
>>>>> I have been exceptionally lucky - My last consultant said if you could
>>>> hit
>>>>> the 30 year mark without any life threatening complications then you
>>>> would
>>>>> probably get through without any at all. At 40 years he told me he had 
>>>>> only
>>>>> two other patients who had had Type 1 for over 40 years. When I asked
>>>> him
>>>>> what happened to the rest his answer was "they all died off somewhere 
>>>>> along
>>>>> the way".
>>>>> When I told him my niece and nephew had developed Type 1 his answer 
>>>>> was "if
>>>>> they have the same genes as you they will be fine".
>>>>> I can remember being lectured in my teens (1960s) that if I wasn't
>>>> careful
>>>>> I
>>>>> would be blind at 30 and dead before I was 40 - however, then the
>>>> methods
>>>>> of
>>>>> controlling diabetes were pretty crude.
>>>>> Improvements in care have advanced dramatically - when I was diagnosed
>>>>> (1954) the only way of testing for sugar was to boil up my urine with
>>>>> Fehling solution over the gas ring - not an incentive to test at all!
>>>> Not
>>>>> sure what we would have done if we hadn't had gas . No wonder so many 
>>>>> people
>>>>> died young and became blind.
>>>>> We all moan about difficulties in getting pumps, bad tempered DSN's,
>>>> etc,
>>>>> etc, but I think we should all just step back sometimes and appreciate
>>>> how
>>>>> good things are for us. We at least have access to testing, advice, 
>>>>> eye
>>>>> screening and regular reviews of our condition. Many of us do have
>>>>> complications, and often its not down to anything they have or have 
>>>>> not done
>>>>> . and please don't think I don't sympathise with those in that 
>>>>> position
>>>> -
>>>>> I
>>>>> can understand their anger and frustration.
>>>>> Mary Moody
>>>>> .
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