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RE: [IPk] low carbs/no carbs



Christine, I suspect the dietitians *may* have covered this in their
training but like many of us, unless we use it often, it tends to slip below
the memory horizon!  Also a common dictum among dietitans and medics for us
lay dmers is "keep it simple".  It also means, "inaccurate" and leaves a lot
of tools for dm management out of range for most dmers.

I've been speaking and helping a couple of friends/acquaintances dxed with
Type 2 who have been on "training courses".  It frightens me what they are
taught and what they are not taught.

It would appear this may be common in courses for Type 1s - even worse when
Type 2s and Type 1s are on the same course - as I've experienced.

Rhoda

-----Original Message-----
From: email @ redacted [mailto:email @ redacted] On Behalf
Of Christine Bousfield
Sent: 15 January 2014 08:44
To: email @ redacted
Subject: Re: [IPk] low carbs/no carbs

Sounds fascinating rhodA
Why don't they teach us all this
I'm sure my dietitian doesn't know it
Christine


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On 15 Jan 2014, at 02:41, Rhoda Martin <email @ redacted> wrote:

 > But a lot of those carbs *may* be inaccessible. E.g raw carrots we don't
access
> a lot of the carbs as our gut does not break down the cell walls to
release
> them. Cooking on the other hand breaks the cell walls down and hey presto
the
> carbs can be utilised and boy do I know it in the effects on my bg levels.
I
> could go on and on. Also fibre g content of food needs to be subtracted
from
 > total gram carb. But again it depends on whether the fibre can be
accessed
and
> therefore utilised as to the actual g fibre effect you subtract.
> 
> If only it were as simple as a maths sum.
> 
> To add to the confusion the biochemistry of lean and obese people differs.
A
> friend of mine is currently writing a book on biochem for fat people! I'm
> looking forward to reading it.
> 
> Also as many of us have found, our bodies do not act in the way medical
> textbooks describe. If only they would read and follow the theories
expounded
> there then perhaps many of the problems encountered in managing this darn
> disease with medics 'help' would disappear!
> 
 > Any research in the area of food nutrition is complex but fascinating.
Throw
in
 > biochem never mind immune system factors, never mind the complications of
dm
for
> som eg gastroparesis and you can see what a "soup mix" you have there.
> 
> To go back to the original comment that Gary S thinks we need 100g of carb
to
> feed our brains, he shows little understanding of the whole way of reduced
or
> low carb eating. Carbs simple and complex are absorbed at different rates
and
> amounts and do the usual quick or medium slowness energy provision.
> 
> Yes, protein converts can convert to carbs but the proportion of protein
carb
 > which can convert to carb is much lower than for simple or complex carb.
It
also
 > takes much longer to do, hence protein for reduced/low carb eaters
protein
acts
> as a medium acting fuel for the brain.
> 
 > Fat too converts to carbs, but again at a much slower rate due to how we
absorb
 > and utilise it but again the fat conversion to carb ratio is lowest of
all.
This
> acts as a very long accessing and acting source of carbs. Remember the
"pizza
> effect" when the carb peak tends to hit proportionately several hours
later
> depending on the fat content of the pizza.
> 
> I could go on and on and it's already too much. 
> 
> Rhoda (former low carb list owner hosted by a US university)
> 
> P.S. Steve, if you're reading this, hope you enjoyed the snow!
> 
> R Martin
> 
>> On 14 Jan 2014, at 22:12, Belinda Washington
<email @ redacted>
> wrote:
>> 
>> If you eat 5 portions of fruit & veg a day, you'd get a good way 
>> towards the 100g of carbs.  
>> 
>>> On 14 Jan 2014, at 22:01, Steve Boorman <email @ redacted> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hmmm. I'm a Gary fan, but 100g of CHO to "feed the brain" sounds like
>>> serious rubbish. Even I, a big butty eater, sometimes don't get that,
and
>>> it must be the same for non-diabetics. We all know when its right for
our
>>> brain, and when we don't have enough blood sugar, we all know what that
>>> feels like. As long as there's enough sugar (from food or your body),
your
>>> brain will be fine (or not, but that's another problem). But I'm off to
>>> slide down snow slopes, so don't mind.
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>> 
 >>> On 14 January 2014 18:02, Barbara Roberts
<email @ redacted>wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Just to throw a (small) spanner in the works. I was listening to a
>> live Q&A
>>>> session with Gary Scheineer on TuDiabetes a few nights ago and he
>> reckoned
>>>> that you need at least 100g CHO a day to convert to glucose to
>> feed the
>>>> brain  - if you don't, then protein gets turned into glucose
>> instead for
>>>> the purpose, instead of doing it's own job in the body.
>>>> 
>>>> Barbara
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 14 January 2014 16:07, Diana Maynard
>> <email @ redacted> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 14/01/2014 15:52, Hayward, Clare (SUT) wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The carb cutting out will also help me with my weight as I've
>> never
>>>> been
>>>>> this
>>>>> 
>>>>>> heavy ever
>>>>> I think good control can often come initially with a bit of
>> weight gain.
>>>>> But it's much easier to lose weight once you've got good control,
>> I
>>>> think.
>>>>> It's hard to work on multiple things simultaneously. But yes,
>> reducing
>>>>> carbs and ramping up the exercise (if you can) will definitely
>> help with
>>>>> the weight.
>>>>> Di
>>>>> 
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