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Re: [IPk] low carbs/no carbs



Sounds fascinating rhodA
Why don't they teach us all this
I'm sure my dietitian doesn't know it
Christine


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On 15 Jan 2014, at 02:41, Rhoda Martin <email @ redacted> wrote:

 > But a lot of those carbs *may* be inaccessible. E.g raw carrots we don't
access
> a lot of the carbs as our gut does not break down the cell walls to release
> them. Cooking on the other hand breaks the cell walls down and hey presto the
> carbs can be utilised and boy do I know it in the effects on my bg levels. I
> could go on and on. Also fibre g content of food needs to be subtracted from
 > total gram carb. But again it depends on whether the fibre can be accessed
and
> therefore utilised as to the actual g fibre effect you subtract.
> 
> If only it were as simple as a maths sum.
> 
> To add to the confusion the biochemistry of lean and obese people differs. A
> friend of mine is currently writing a book on biochem for fat people! I'm
> looking forward to reading it.
> 
> Also as many of us have found, our bodies do not act in the way medical
> textbooks describe. If only they would read and follow the theories expounded
> there then perhaps many of the problems encountered in managing this darn
> disease with medics 'help' would disappear!
> 
 > Any research in the area of food nutrition is complex but fascinating. Throw
in
 > biochem never mind immune system factors, never mind the complications of dm
for
> som eg gastroparesis and you can see what a "soup mix" you have there.
> 
> To go back to the original comment that Gary S thinks we need 100g of carb to
> feed our brains, he shows little understanding of the whole way of reduced or
> low carb eating. Carbs simple and complex are absorbed at different rates and
> amounts and do the usual quick or medium slowness energy provision.
> 
> Yes, protein converts can convert to carbs but the proportion of protein carb
 > which can convert to carb is much lower than for simple or complex carb. It
also
 > takes much longer to do, hence protein for reduced/low carb eaters protein
acts
> as a medium acting fuel for the brain.
> 
 > Fat too converts to carbs, but again at a much slower rate due to how we
absorb
 > and utilise it but again the fat conversion to carb ratio is lowest of all.
This
> acts as a very long accessing and acting source of carbs. Remember the "pizza
> effect" when the carb peak tends to hit proportionately several hours later
> depending on the fat content of the pizza.
> 
> I could go on and on and it's already too much. 
> 
> Rhoda (former low carb list owner hosted by a US university)
> 
> P.S. Steve, if you're reading this, hope you enjoyed the snow!
> 
> R Martin
> 
>> On 14 Jan 2014, at 22:12, Belinda Washington <email @ redacted>
> wrote:
>> 
>> If you eat 5 portions of fruit & veg a day, you'd get a good way 
>> towards the 100g of carbs.  
>> 
>>> On 14 Jan 2014, at 22:01, Steve Boorman <email @ redacted> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hmmm. I'm a Gary fan, but 100g of CHO to "feed the brain" sounds like
>>> serious rubbish. Even I, a big butty eater, sometimes don't get that, and
>>> it must be the same for non-diabetics. We all know when its right for our
>>> brain, and when we don't have enough blood sugar, we all know what that
>>> feels like. As long as there's enough sugar (from food or your body), your
>>> brain will be fine (or not, but that's another problem). But I'm off to
>>> slide down snow slopes, so don't mind.
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>> 
 >>> On 14 January 2014 18:02, Barbara Roberts
<email @ redacted>wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Just to throw a (small) spanner in the works. I was listening to a
>> live Q&A
>>>> session with Gary Scheineer on TuDiabetes a few nights ago and he
>> reckoned
>>>> that you need at least 100g CHO a day to convert to glucose to
>> feed the
>>>> brain  - if you don't, then protein gets turned into glucose
>> instead for
>>>> the purpose, instead of doing it's own job in the body.
>>>> 
>>>> Barbara
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 14 January 2014 16:07, Diana Maynard
>> <email @ redacted> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 14/01/2014 15:52, Hayward, Clare (SUT) wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The carb cutting out will also help me with my weight as I've
>> never
>>>> been
>>>>> this
>>>>> 
>>>>>> heavy ever
>>>>> I think good control can often come initially with a bit of
>> weight gain.
>>>>> But it's much easier to lose weight once you've got good control,
>> I
>>>> think.
>>>>> It's hard to work on multiple things simultaneously. But yes,
>> reducing
>>>>> carbs and ramping up the exercise (if you can) will definitely
>> help with
>>>>> the weight.
>>>>> Di
>>>>> 
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