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Re: [IPk] Re: development of retinopathy

Hi Pat
You don't have to be lying down and them using a headset to push your
When you have the anaesthetic, you can't move your eyeball yourself, so if
they need to move it they have to do it themselves. That's a result of the
anaesthetic. If you don't have the anaesthetic you can move your eyeball
Make sense?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Reynolds" <email @ redacted>
To: <email @ redacted>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [IPk] Re: development of retinopathy

> Hi Di,
> I am not convinced that we are making the same distinction (i.e. I agree
> that there is a distinction between zapping the vessels and zapping the
> retina), but I think there is also a distinction between where they push
> the eyeball and where you direct it (or is the retina always pushed, and
> the vessels always self-directed?)
> Best wishes,
> Pat
> (only once with pushed eyeballs)
> In message <email @ redacted>, Diana
> Maynard <email @ redacted> writes
> >Hi Pat, Lesley etc.
> >
> >> Laser treatment isn't all that painful!  It is like having a flash gun
> >> go off in front of your face - and again - and again - and again.  A
> >> bit uncomfortable, sometimes, while it actually flashes - but wearying
> >> and headache-making.  Certainly, compared to earache (which I have
> >> _again_, it's nothing!)
> >>
> >> The painkiller and paralizer injections are used for an advanced kind
> >> laser work, where, rather than sitting up and being told to 'look to
> >> your left', etc., you are lying down, and the surgeon is working with a
> >> headset, pushing your eyeball with his fingers until it's exactly where
> >> he wants it.
> >
> >This isn't quite accurate - they *sometimes* do the advanced laser
> >lying down with a headset, but they don't have to. I've had it done once
> >way and about 30 times the normal way - all with the anaesthetic
> >It depends on their personal preference.
> >
> >The first kind of laser treatment mostly doesn't hurt, though it *can* do
> >when you've had a lot of it done (over a number of occasions) and if they
> >a sensitive bit. But generally you don't need any anaesthetic for it.
> >
> >The second kind - which is where instead of zapping the leaky blood
> >they actually zap bits of the retina to increase the percentage of oxygen
> >getting to the eye and therefore try to prevent new blood vessels forming
> >the wrong place (which is bad because they're fragile and break and cause
> >bleeding) - is again not usually painful to start with but when you've
had a
> >lot (of either type of laser) it can start to get painful - from the
> >sensitive to the "can't possibly have it without anaesthetic". Some
> >consultants prefer to do this with a headset while you're lying down,
some do
> >it in the normal way.
> >
> >Hope that helps clear things up a bit.
> >Di
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