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Re: [IPk] funny turn today whilst driving

Hi Christine and others,

I don't believe the definition of a TIA varies from place to place.
And what makes it a TIA (transient ischaemic attack) is that the
symptoms are transient. But this does not necessarily mean that there
are no related findings on eeg or CT or MRI images - there may or may
not be - this is why these tests may be done.

I agree with you that one should see an expert, but wanted to make the
point that not all 'funny turns' are TIA's or strokes - which indeed
might require quick initiation of treatment. But Tricia was checked
immediately by an experienced and careful GP who ruled out the
symptoms of a TIA or stroke - if there had been anything suspicious
she no doubt would have been referred urgently for further
investigation rather than 'wait and see'. So if I understood
correctly, she was wondering about diabetes related conditions which
might cause these sort of symptoms.

Tricia, (apologies for writing about you in the third person and as
'she' in the previous paragraph) thinking along non-stroke lines, did
they do any blood tests to check that your electrolytes and other
things were in the normal range? one can have weird episodes due to
electrolyte imbalance. Did you recently change any medications?
anything else you did differently? do you often drink strong coffee?


On 23 December 2013 12:15, Christine Bousfield <email @ redacted> wrote:
> Hi Nanette
> And Tricia
>  The definition of a Tia here at least is obviously various symptoms but no
> showing on ct scan and EEG
> 24 hours later
 > Nanette saw an expert but so should you Tricia so you can start medication if
> necessary
> Best
> Christine
> Sent from my iPhone
 > On 23 Dec 2013, at 09:22, Nanette Freedman <email @ redacted>
>> Hi Tricia,
>> Do get it checked out further, but remember that not everything is a
>> TIA or stroke. Do you think you were shaky because finding yourself
>> driving without control was so scary, or because of the 'funny turn'?
>> It might or might not be a bit like something that happened to me
>> years ago, and was not a TIA or stroke - nothing showed up on CT or
>> eeg.
>> It was a sort of 'absence' - unlike you I was not aware - possibly a
>> type of mini-seizure, although nothing showed on the eeg. And the
>> results were worse in practice than yours though, since it happened
>> when I had just got into the car after work in an indoor carpark, I
>> remember starting the car, then reaching out my hand to switch on the
>> car radio, then next thing I knew the car drove quite gently into a
>> pillar in the carpark - I had driven just a few yards, apparently on
>> 'automatic pilot', towards the exit from the car park, and had turned
>> left as if I were parked in my usual place - in fact I was parked in a
>> slightly different spot, so went into the pillar - probably just as
>> well. And I had checked my BG just 5 minutes before and checked again
>> immediately after, so know it was not due to being hypo.
>> I went to see a top neurologist (one of those times when it is an
>> advantage to work in a hospital), and he was the one who described it
>> as an 'absence', which fitted so well with my experience, said such
>> things can happen, that the longer time elapses without it recurring
>> the more likely that it won't ever recur - it's now 9 years ago, and
>> thankfully no recurrence. I did drive home very cautiously immediately
>> after it happened, but didn't drive for a while after - but returned
>> to it eventually, though I have to confess that I am still sometimes
>> haunted by what happened then, and how it could have been so much
>> worse.
>> Best of luck getting it sorted out
>> Nanette
>> On 22 December 2013 22:25, cherrycottage <email @ redacted> wrote:
 >>> Does anyone have any ideas? About 11am today Sunday I was doing a right
>> in
>>> the car and had a funny turn. I wasn't unconscious, but knew I had no
>> control. I
>>> did stop the car nearish to the kerb and put on the hazard lights. what was
>>> possibly a few minutes later It passed but I. felt shaky and felt a bit
>> weird..
>>> My BG was 11.2 I had gone to church on a large tea and a 6g biscuit and no
>> bolus
>>> as i was keeping an eye on my basal.
>>> After church I had a strongish coffee.
>>> After the episode, I drove about 500 yards back home very cautiously.
>>> I still felt weird so we went to the non-A and E department to check if it
>> was
>>> a mini stroke as my family history suggested that.
>>> An excellent experienced GP there did all the checks and said it wasn't a
>>> stroke and just to keep any eye on it. No driving today.
>>> Does anyone have any ideas?  could it have been diabetes related?
>>> Happy Christmas
>>> Tricia Barker
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