Re: [IPk] Using pump as calculator
I do recall that in 2005 they were also talking about a different
product that was not designed to work with the pump, but was intended
specifically for MDI users...I will have to do a bit of digging as I
may have gotten confused; still, I remember having that conversation
about the ratios being locked for MDI users.
Will let you know what I can find on that -
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 2:34 PM, JOANNE PARSONS
<email @ redacted> wrote:
> Hi Paula
> what pump have you got?
> I ask this because my start date for going onto a pump is 4th June ;-) The
> hospital that I attend generally use the Accu-Chek spirit pump, that doesn't
> have a bolus wizard Incorporated in the pump....
> The software that Melissa is taking about is the Pocket Compass software it
> designed to work with the Accu-Chek spirit pump and some of there meters (one
> that have a inferred port) when it was first released as Melissa said it was
> on the Palm Zire (Z22) but it is compatible with several other Palm's as
> well. When I phoned Accu-chek last week to enquire about the Compass software
> and what it can and can't do... the lady was saying that in May there
> up-grading the PDA to a Treo, which is much better as the Treo are smart
> phones as well, very much like a Blackberry... qwerty key board put your own
> sim card in for the phone... It also connects to a desktop via a usb
> connection so the only part using the inferred port well be the spirit pump
> and the BG meter.... The new PDA's will be available from May as she said
> that by June when I go onto the pump I would get the up-graded version...
> The blurb that she sent me about both the insulin pump and the Compass
> Software wasn't that informative as such a bit too brief in fact... And it
> seems that you can't download a manual from the uk site, I did manage to get
> link www.disetronic-usa.com/en_US/pdf/ACPocoUserGuide101005.pdf that gives
> the Pocket Compass software manual. Which is a bit more helpful than the
> How much it cost's I'm not sure I kind of forgot to ask that simple question?
> doh What I can see on the American websites there charge is about $30 dollar
> of course that is without the PDA part and some were moaning that was
> expensive!!!! I wonder what they would say if they were expected to pay the
> prices that were are charged for software?
> For what I can see from the manual it is more pump friendly and you can
> a lot more information from it than I can give better data reports than the
> One-touch software that I use with my ultra smart meter which lacks some of
> the features and abilities that I wish it did have...
> Hope even though a long reply that it might be helpful
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Paula Briggs <email @ redacted>
> To: email @ redacted
> Sent: Friday, 11 April, 2008 12:45:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [IPk] Using pump as calculator
> big shame isn't it. i can see education is key, and some people might
> not want to be so involved with their control, but there must be a big
> group of MDI users who are as motivated (and able)as pump users to
> take control, but not fortunate enough to get a pump. i would have
> loved to have an extra tool... xxp
> On 11 Apr 2008, at 12:31, Melissa Ford wrote:
> > Hi Paula
> > A few years ago Roche developed a system similar to what you describe.
> > It was a Palm Zire PDA with an IR port that could take information
> > from any IR equipped Accu-Chek meter. They launched it in the summer
> > of 2005. However it was not a full commerical launch and it hasn't
> > made any waves in the market. the product doesn't appear on their US
> > website now so they may have stopped the program - I'll have more
> > information on the status in early June.
> > IMHO the fatal flaw of the system introduced in 2005 was that Roche
> > wanted it to be administered by healthcare professionals only, such
> > that the carb:insulin ratios and correction factors could only be
> > changed by a healthcare professional who entered a secret PIN into the
> > device. Doctors and nurses just don't have that kind of time to make
> > minor adjustments personally!! Pumps are set up so that we can edit
> > the carb:insulin ratios and the correction factor whenever we like,
> > which makes a lot of sense to me.
> > I queried Roche on why they were going to "lock out" patients from
> > editing settings on their PDA product. Their response was that many
> > people on MDI don't have the training and education to adjust the
> > ratios themselves. Probably true, but you can never really solve an
> > education problem with technology alone.
> > I wish everyone who takes insulin HAD to go on a DAFNE course within
> > 18 months of starting insulin therapy. It would make such a
> > difference. The fact that so many people don't receive the education
> > necessary to get value out of a "bolus wizard" until they are about to
> > go on a pump may well explain why there's been relatively little
> > investment in technology to support optimal carb-counting/bg
> > correcting by MDI users.
> > Melissa
> > Type 1 15 years; MiniMed pumper 7.5 years; Animas pumper 4.5 years
> > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Paula Briggs
> > <email @ redacted> wrote:
> >> My first full day on a pump! Am enjoying the "gadget" - no insulin
> >> though, saline for a week. Already am finding ability to let the pump
> >> (medtronic) to work out bolus using bolus wizard. Begs the question,
> >> or am i missing a trick, why isn't there a meter which also acts as a
> >> calculator, which people on mdi cold use to help work out bolus's
> >> too?
> >> I know a pen delivers larger units so it wouldn't be as refined,
> >> but i
> >> would have loved a meter on mdi which worked like bolus wizard on the
> >> pump, taking active insulin on board, sensitivity etc, and then give
> >> the dose via pen.... ? too simplistic?
> >> Paula, type 1 2001, just getting started on pump
> > .
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