[IP] Bagels

```In a message dated 11/18/99 8:23:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
email @ redacted writes:

difficult problems with  fatty, cheezy, thick pizza slices, but bread is
bread, i.e, pure carb.  If we can't figure how to bolus for bread, then
there's surely going to be trouble.   If you ate the same weight of sliced
bread as in a bagel, would the BG really be all that different?  What is so
magical about a bagel?  Is it maybe the garlic?  But I always thought
garlic was supposed to keep away the gremlins? Comments Sara?  I know you
do lots of morning bagels up there in NYC. *S*
-wayne, who also likes bagels in Baltimore
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Well, everyone,
I may be WAY off base with this but my theory is that bagels tend to
be much more dense in texture than regular bread, thus the difference in
calculating the carbs.  We used to have problems with my son eating bagels
until we started using the "carb factors" method listed in the back of "Stop
the Rollercoaster".  You weigh the food on a gram scale and then multiply the
weight by the carb factor for that particular food.  Bagels are listed with a
carb factor of .56 and regular bread is listed as .53  so for instance, a
bagel (we're from NYC so we get the BIG ones here :-)  weighing 114g (that's
the size my son had this past weekend) would be figured out by:
114g X .56 = 63.84
Then you would divide 64 carbs (rounded off) by your regular carb to insulin
ratio (my son's is 12:1) so that would give him a bolus of 5.4 for that
bagel.  Now we have bagels pretty much every Sunday and we never have a
problem with his BG's when using this method.  In fact, this past Sunday he
was 139 at wake up and we bolused for the bagel listed above and two hours
later he was 128!  Now, if you figure out 114g into ounces, that would be 3.8
ounces!  So, compared to what some other posts figured for a 4 ounce bagel,
there is quite a difference.  I hope this info helps.....Until we started
using this method, bagels ALWAYS made Steven high.....now we enjoy them
regularly.

Kelly
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