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hi again  i just looked over some of your past posts and thought 
that this must of been a mistake  but here is the message you 
sent that i was replying about.

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> >
> > From: email @ redacted
> > Subject: [IP] RE: Control
> >
> > I was just curious as to whether any one else has experienced worse control
> > since starting on the pump?
> >
> > I am amazed at the people who have noticed better control one day after
> > starting on the pump.
> 
> Leanne-
> I didn't notice better control right away, and we had to play around with my
> boluses and basals for quite awhile--several months.  I felt pretty lousy during
> much of that time, as my bg was all over the place.  What I did notice immediately
> was the increased flexibility.  So I guess my answer is that I experienced worse
> control, followed by better control, with the pump.
> Jen
> 
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:07:46 EDT
> > From: email @ redacted
> > Subject: Re: [IP] help with rebellion
> >
> > Lori,
> > There shows a good example of the differences in people.  My husband would be
> > like you.  Extremely private, sometimes even a non communicator.  I felt so
> > much better after I went to camp.  You have to realize that at that time I
> > felt awful, control was minimal at best due to not having blood testing and
> > only taking one shot of NPH regular mix in the AM.  I went to camp, came back
> > charged up and had to talk to my doc to putting me on two doses of NPH and
> > regular insulin.  Where I grew up the first time I went to by a blood testing
> > machine it cost $300 and I was making $1.70 an hour with no insurance.  The
> > pharmacist tried to talk me out of doing blood testing because "every time
> > you open your skin up, you chance an infection."  Whow-- the dark ages.  My
> > suggestion was only a suggestion, not set in granite.  What works for one
> > won't work for all.  Thanks for your comments back.
> > Carole
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:12:57 -0300
> > From: Duck And Barb <email @ redacted>
> > Subject: [IP] OOPS!
> >
> > Sorry for the double posting.  First one came back undeliverable so I
> > sent another.
> > Oh well, that means we will have double the fun :)
> >
> > Barb...Erica's extremely happy mom!!
> >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:05:49 EDT
> > From: email @ redacted
> > Subject: Re: [IP] V A C A T I O N
> >
> > Penguinie says have a good time and visit alll the zoos you can.  Penguinie
> > and I and my wife are alos going on vacation for a week.  We are
> > unsubscribing for that time.  Looking forward to hearing more of Erica's
> > adventures on your return.
> > Don and Penbuinie the pumper penguin O-
> >                                                          /( )'\
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 08:47:42 -0400
> > From: Sherry Webb Nolan <email @ redacted>
> > Subject: Re:[IP]help with rebellion-Lori
> >
> > Lori,
> > I don't know what the comment was you were responding too,
> > but the reply you made seemed pretty small minded to me.
> >
> > <I disagree with the comment on camp.  The idea is still foreign to me
> > - --
> > I absolutely refused 25 years ago, and I still would. >
> >
> > Why did you refuse?  I started going to camp when I was 6 and it was the
> > best thing that ever happened to me, I went every year until I was
> > too old to go. And am still trying to find an "adult" camp <LOL>.
> > I got to go for two weeks and have a lot of fun.  It wasn't a camp
> > "defined" by D, in fact just the opposite.  The only reminders were
> > the testing/injection times, and maybe meal times.  But actually since
> > everyone was doing it you didn't feel like a swore thumb.  It was a
> > great way to actually "get-away" from D.   Since everyone was diabetic
> > I didn't feel constantly reminded of my bgs and worrying about them.
> > Mostly because everyone else would notice if something was wrong and
> > help me out.  Plus my parents got a much needed rest.
> >
> > <I didn't have to
> > go in a group to go to the bathroom, and I don't need to be in a whole
> > group of people with the same disfunction. >
> >
> > I didn't have to go to the bathroom in a group.  We did have a buddy
> > system, but so did my brothers at non-diabetic camp.  You couldn't go
> > anywhere "alone" but you only had to drag one other person and we didn't
> > share a stall.  As for not needing to be in a group of people with the
> > same disfunction, none of us "need" that.  I "wanted" it though.  I
> > don't wish D on anybody, but it is nice to be able to share problems,
> > stories, solutions, etc with a group of people who understand. I met
> > a lot of friends that I still keep in touch with.
> >
> > I also attended a non-diabetic camp a few times and it was ok.  I didn't
> > make as close friendships as I did at the diabetic camp.  I was also
> > more
> > preoccupied with my bgs.  However, even regular camp is a great
> > experience
> > for kids.  It lets them meet a bunch of people their own age, get away
> > from the parents for a while, and learn new exciting things.
> >
> > I'll get off my soapbox now.
> > Sorry you missed out on camp Lori,
> > - -- Sherry
> > - --
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:28:24 +0100 (BST)
> > From: Diana Maynard <email @ redacted>
> > Subject: [IP] Re: relations
> >
> > My ex-dance partner was an epileptic. When he had fits it was very
> > similar to me having a hypo - we would just go
> > blank. When it happened to both of us at the same time it was highly
> > amusing to everyone else - we both stopped dancing and started staring
> > into space past each other. Neither of us could help the other one as
> > we normally did! Interestingly, he had seizures when he didn't eat
> > anything and his blood sugar levels dropped too low (quite common
> > apparently).
> >
> > Di
> >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:48:03 -0300
> > From: Duck And Barb <email @ redacted>
> > Subject: Re: Re:[IP] when to change set...Liz
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > When I said to follow it with a snack or meal, it is because we agree
> > with the reasoning that a good sized bolus after insertion is beneficial
> > as it might flush away any tissue that might have gathered at the end of
> > cannula upon insertion.
> > We do this, all the time, but I am sure as with most things, that a lot
> > of people don't bother with it.  That is just how we do things, and it
> > is something recommended by Minimed in their pump book.
> > Don't be hesitant to ask questions!!  You've tapped into a wonderful
> > group of new cyberfriends.
> >
> > Now, I AM OUT OF HERE.....VACATION, HERE I COME!
> > Barb....Erica's vacationing mom
> >
> > - ----------------------------------------------------------
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 09:56:16 -0400
> > From: Donna <email @ redacted>
> > Subject: Re: [IP] when to change set...
> >
> > That is to fill the canula after removing the introducer needle (at least this
> > is what my trainer told me)
> > Donna
> >
> > Julie Britt wrote:
> > >
> > > why bolus 0.5 after a set change?  just curious.
> > >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:19:59 EDT
> > From: email @ redacted
> > Subject: Re: [IP] help with rebellion
> >
> > In a message dated 6/30/99 10:26:50 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > email @ redacted writes:
> >
> > Probably the best thing anyone
> >  can do for this kid is STOP TELLING HIM WHAT TO  DO AND GIVE HIM CHOICES!!!
> > >>
> >
> > Brilliant response Aimee.  I agree with you 1000%.  I hope Brian reads your
> > post.  I also was a very rebellious 16 year old.  I never quit taking
> > insulin, but I did quit testing.  I really believe that a good dr. could have
> > helped me instead of one who constantly told me how "bad"  I was.  I was very
> > tired of my mom telling me what to do at that age and quit listening to all
> > of them.  I was sent to a "shrink" who told me I hated my mother.  "Not true
> > I told him.  I hate you." (haha)  I went to one session only.  I don't think
> > a person can get help until they want help.  When I left home at 17 and took
> > control of my own life I began the process of understanding the importance of
> > diabetes control.  It took me about 4 years to do this, but I survived and am
> > doing quite well.  This child will do well too once he accepts that dm is
> > forever and he has to deal with it to really be happy.
> > Acceptance of this disease is a wonderful thing.  I wish there was a special
> > formula that would give all dm'ers this acceptance.  Some of us just have to
> > learn the hard way.  I found that what worked for me the best was talking to
> > other people with diabetes.  A support group is best IF he would go to one.
> > That worked better for me than all of those professionals and overly
> > concerned family members who just don't have a clue about living with this
> > disease, but think they do.  ellen
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:48:13 -0400
> > From: Sherry Webb Nolan <email @ redacted>
> > Subject: [IP] Carb/BG/Insulin Ratios
> >
> > Hey everyone.
> > I need some help.
> > I am still on MDI and the doctor has completely revamped my insulin
> > schedule and started me on
> > Humalog, so the rolarcoaster begins.  My old scale of high bgs/insulin
> > is no longer working, because
> > the humalog is so much faster then the Regular.  Also, I have never
> > figured out my carb/bg ratio, so
> > now that I am taking shots with every meal I need to know that.  Any one
> > figure these ratios out
> > with MDI?  HELP!  I looked at how to figure it out on the pump, but with
> > my NPH still lurking from
> > my morning shot, I don't know how effective that method would be.
> >
> > Thanks, Sherry
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:07:26 EDT
> > From: email @ redacted
> > Subject: [IP] Diabetes Sucks
> >
> > In a message dated 7/1/99 7:10:07 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > email @ redacted writes:
> >
> > <<
> >  They want them to say -- Diabetes Sucks >>
> >
> > I love it!!!  I thought about the same for my support group, but most of our
> > members are over 50 or under 12.  Not an appropriate slogan for these age
> > groups...BUT I love it.  ellen
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 11:11:18 -0400
> > From: Donna <email @ redacted>
> > Subject: Re: [IP] RE: Control
> >
> > Leanne,
> >
> > I didn't have such a good time of it the first month or so, but it was easier to
> > correct highs.  I had somewhat good control on MDI but not optimum.  Most of my
> > problems were Post Prandial or with my monthly cycle.  It took calling my doctor
> > every other day and actually adjusting it myself and telling him what I did.  I
> > started out with 1 unit an hour and ended up with 1.4 most of the time and 1.7
> > between 3 am - 8 am.  I also had to adjust my bolus I started out on the routine
> > 15 grams of carb to 1 unit insulin and have gone to 5g/1u.  If I hadn't taken
> > the initiative I would have never gotten it straightened out.  I was totally
> > frustrated and wanted to throw the pump across the room, then I thought of
> > giving my shots in my stomach (dr wouldn't allow it in the leg) and decided no
> > way. I still have days where nothing seems to work and certain foods (potatoes)
> > are going to raise my bg regardless what I do.  I try to stay away from foods I
> > know will send my bg out of control.  I also have found that with certain foods
> > I have to bolus less.  It is all trial and error. You may be reacting
> > differently to the different types of insulin also.
> >
> > Good Luck!
> > Donna
> >
> > email @ redacted wrote:
> > >
> > > I was just curious as to whether any one else has experienced worse control
> > > since starting on the pump?
> > > My control was so much better on MDI. My main problem is figuring out my
> > > bolus rates, but after 3 months of pumping, I had hoped to have some
> > > improvement.
> > > I am amazed at the people who have noticed better control one day after
> > > starting on the pump.
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
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> > > for mail subscription assistance, contact: HELP@insulin-pumpers.org
> > - ----------------------------------------------------------
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> > for mail subscription assistance, contact: HELP@insulin-pumpers.org
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:13:11 EDT
> > From: email @ redacted
> > Subject: Re: [IP]help with rebellion-Lori
> >
> > In a message dated 7/1/99 6:22:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > email @ redacted writes:
> >
> > <<  As for not needing to be in a group of people with the
> >  same disfunction, none of us "need" that.  I "wanted" it though.  I
> >  don't wish D on anybody, but it is nice to be able to share problems,
> >  stories, solutions, etc with a group of people who understand. I met
> >  a lot of friends that I still keep in touch with.
> >   >>
> > I agree and exactly what we do here.  Lori you participate here why should
> > this be a different?  Last time I looked this list was called Insulin Pumpers
> > and was pretty much filled with diabetics on insulin pumps.
> >
> > Kathleen
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:17:05 EDT
> > From: email @ redacted
> > Subject: Re: [IP] help with rebellion
> >
> > Carole, I agree with you.  Camp was great for me.  Of course, I went to camp
> > close to 40 years ago when there was no support in my area.  I loved camp for
> > many years and was a counselor there.  It was the only place where I saw
> > other kids with IDD.  I think that it is wonderful today to have so many
> > support networks available.  It is confirmation that they really work.  There
> > are many online including this one and we have 2 pump support groups in my
> > town.  Things are definitely better in this regard.  ellen
> > - ----------------------------------------------------------
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 11:21:27 -0400
> > From: Donna <email @ redacted>
> > Subject: [Fwd: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: [IP] when to change set...]
> >
> > From:
> >          email @ redacted
> >
> > 09:55
> >
> >  Subject:
> >          TFS Delivery Failure: Re: [IP] when to change set...
> >       To:
> >          email @ redacted
> >      CC:
> >          email @ redacted
> >
> > email @ redacted wrote:
> > >
> > > Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable:
> > > email @ redacted
> >
> > has anyone else gotten this before?  I sent the original message to insulin
> > pumpers.  the message got to insulin pumpers but I got this response too. I have
> > also gotten email that was not addressed to me but others on the ip list.
> > Donna
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:29:10 EDT
> > From: email @ redacted
> > Subject: Re: [IP]help with rebellion/ adult camp
> >
> > In a message dated 7/1/99 8:21:50 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > email @ redacted writes:
> >
> > << And am still trying to find an "adult" camp <LOL>. >>
> >
> > There is one for dm'ers.  I saw it at the International Diabetic Athletes
> > Assoc. website which is:   www.diabetes-exercise.org/
> >
> > It is in the Caribbean I believe.  I can't remember, but it sounded like fun.
> >  BTW, I agree with everything you said about camp Sherry.  I also went to a
> > regular and a diabetes camp and enjoyed the additional freedom of "NOT being
> > different" at the diabetes camp.  I believe it relieves physical and men
> 
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Brian Carter
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