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Re: [IP] nervous hands

Thank you Randall I whole heartedly agree! You are far more eloquent in
expressing a different opinion than I am. I am a pump trainer and I have
met people (kids and adults) who have many different experiences in
inserting the infusion sets, for some it is easy and for others, it is
Rose, please try to remember that Ravi's experience may not be everyone

> From: Randall Winchester <email @ redacted>
> To: Rose Lulla <email @ redacted>; email @ redacted
> Subject: Re: [IP] nervous hands
> Date: Wednesday, December 24, 1997 1:41 PM
> On 23 Dec 97 at 20:30, Rose Lulla wrote:
> > I have to say that I am appalled at all the adults on this list.  How
> > you ever do injections?  I know, the needles were a lot smaller.  Not
> > of you have always had the ultra fine needles.  So?  I know, I'm not
> > diabetic.  Again, so?  When I see Ravi do his set changes, he breezes
> > through them like it is no big deal.  He also is one that always did
> > injections super slow.  Adults are suppose to be the "brave" ones.  Are
> > you going to let a 10 year old show you up?  Or even for that matter,
> > some 7 and 8 year olds that are on the pump?  Buck up and quit being
> > "weenies" as you are being described by my 19 year old.
> > 
> From a "weenie" - I know you aren't nearly as nasty, mean, or 
> unconcerned as this post I just read sounds...
> How? It was a constant difficulty and a continual source of pain, 
> both physical and psychological. 
> Rose, I'd buy you a box of ultra-fine needles, a couple of 
> bottles of saline, and all that - you just have to sign a contract 
> that for the next 90 days you'll listen to a tape every few hours 
> that talks about how injections hurt.  Then every 4 hours, day or 
> night you get to get up and give yourself a shot...  
> Oh, did anyone ever tell you that about 25% of the needles are 
> slightly dulled during the manufacturing process...  and about 3 to 
> 5% seem to have small burrs that you can see with a magnifying glass 
> - and those burrs act like the barbs on a fishing hook...  all the 
> variations are within quality control limits but still cause pain.  
> I've talked to the major manufacturers and they all are still working 
> to improve the needles.
> I'm 40, college education in Engineering Physics & Computer Science, 
> additional training from my preparations as a minister (Baptist, 
> SBC)...  and it sometimes  took me thirty minutes to take a shot 
> back when I was on MDI.  Hard talk like you sent above 
> shows that you are apparently one of the few adults in our society 
> who has no phobias, fears or discomforts.  It's not a matter of being 
> a "weenie" or not - it is a matter of being able to deal with 
> inflicting pain on yourself, fear of the needle, and other things 
> mixed in with those.  It isn't rational and sometimes isn't 
> controllable.  One CDE that I talked to sounded a lot like you - 
> she talked about how easy it all was...  I later talked to her and 
> someone had convinced her to try it for three days...  she quit 
> telling patients that insulin injections don't hurt.  It's not a 
> matter of "bravery" - The needle discomfort that many diabetics have 
> or develop aren't helped by the depression that most diabetics 
> face... and the fact that repeatedly inflicting pain on yourself is 
> not an easy thing to do.  
> Tell us what your fears are - and I'll bet there are people on the 
> list who would call you a "weenie" for not just "bucking up" and 
> forgetting that fear.   I have a lot of admiration for Ravi - he's 
> got a long (hopefully very long!) struggle ahead of him.  He appears 
> to be ahead of the game.  I hope you never call him a "weenie" when 
> he develops some of those normal adolescent fears and insecurities.  
> > To those of you on this list that are anticipating the pump, don't let
> > something like the size of the needle stop you.  It's not like you have
> > to use that needle 4-5 times a day.  The pump has huge benefits over
> > injections, give it a chance.
> > 
> For some of us the fact that we don't have to face that needle 4 to 6 
> times a day any more is one of the great things about the pump.  I 
> can handle it taking me a while to put the infusion set in every 
> three days - but when I had to take the same amount of time six times 
> a day it took a major chunk of time and effort.  The sof-serter makes 
> it possible - I haven't been able to bring myself to being able to 
> insert it manually...  
> I've seen this in non-diabetics too, like this spring when I was on a 
> retreat with a multi-denominational group.  I took my shot at supper 
> on Saturday, sitting at the table, and heard a big ol'boy down the 
> table say "He's taking a sho..." as he started to pass out... and 
> that was just from watching me!  Just think what he'd face if he had 
> to give himself shots...  
> > Just my $.02 worth!
> > 
> > "Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!"
> > 
> > Rose(aka Ravi's mom) Ravi, 10 pumping since 10/23/97 dx'd 8/12/94
> Merry Christmas.  Keep cheering for Ravi, keep encouraging him and 
> don't ever, ever, ever call him a "weenie" - he's already faced many 
> things that no non-diabetic will face.  Support him, tell him he's a 
> pain if he is, but don't ever run him down...  
> Make sure he knows that there are a lot of us out here too that are 
> cheering for him... and know that we're also cheering for you...  but 
> please remember that what is simple for some people is easy for 
> others.  I think that it would be a breeze to quit smoking - but then 
> I'm not a smoker...   Each of us has our weaknesses, our fears and 
> our soft spots.  Harsh language doesn't help someone work through 
> those difficulties and in fact can make them more difficult to 
> handle...
> Randall Winchester
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