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Re: [IP] closed loop system! ... Doctors are not God's



At 07:51 PM 8/16/2002 Fran Baumgartner wrote:
 >>As a medical student, I am sure you are already aware of how precise you
 >>must be with some of the things that you are studying.......
 >>
 >>>   WOW, IF THATS NOT THE MOST IGNORANT STATEMENT IVE EVER HEARD, IT COMES
 >>> CLOSE...i dont know who you think you are (on a level of education) to say
 >>>such a statement, but this is soooo far from the truth....minimed has 
already
 >>>closed the loop for 4 consecutive days, when they attempted to do so, on 10
 >>>different individuals....theyre just perfecting the algorithm between the
 >>>pump and the glucose sensor so it can work for all different 
individuals, of
 >>>all different body types and metabolisms....being a first yr med 
student, and
 >>>both parents physicians, i hear first hand, about the medical research and
 >>>breakthroughs coming out for diabetes
 >
 >Sorry Admin team, but I must respond to this.  And please remember this is
 >just my own opinion based on 40 years dealing with doctors due to diabetes
 >and various other ailments.  In addition I truly believe I would be dead by
 >the hands of doctor today from my accident last October.  I have many facts
 >to substantiate this.  Thank goodness I am a smart, tenacious person who is
 >always aware of what is going on around here.  For if I hadn't I wouldn't
 >be writing this cause my ashes would be in our front yard.
 >
 >We patients CANNOT put our full trust in doctors.  Especially these days,
 >we have to keep on top of things.  Just because someone has an MD after
 >their name doesn't mean they know everything and are perfect.  Doctors poo
 >and pee the same way the rest of us do.  In addition they are human too and
 >they do NOT know everything, nor are they expected too.  Although they do
 >take on Oath which in my opinion has gone obsolete due to high cost of care
 >thanks to our lovely medical insurance, which is a whole other topic so I
 >shall Shuddup now.
 >
 >I just found out recently that two people died at the hands of this doctor
 >where I was recently being treated.  The families are suing and will win
 >the case.  The doctor that caused these deaths is a resident and who only
 >have to do his third year over.  This same doctor came into my room after
 >surgery one day and was about to take my dressings down without gloves,
 >mask, or any other protection.  Mind you I already was fighting for my dear
 >life for staph infections.  So thank goodness I spoke up and told him to
 >get the hell away from me until he had proper attire on to take my
 >dressings down.  Anyway, just trying to show proof of why I have the
 >opinion I do.  I will not share the rest of my proof.
 >
 >I have also been diabetic since 1963.  My parents were told there would be
 >a cure in 10 years.  Hmmm, that would be 1973.  I was on one of the
 >original pumps 20 plus years ago.  So please try to honor and respect we
 >old timers who don't have a lot of faith in a cure or closed loop in our
 >life times.  Diabetes is big business and someone is profiting.  But who
 >knows maybe I'll be eating my own words, and I would be thrilled.  :-)
 >
 >Fran

I've already done that... it was one of the messages that didn't make it to 
this list. Here it is:

 >At 05:09 PM 8/16/2002 email @ redacted wrote:
 >> WOW, IF THATS NOT THE MOST IGNORANT STATEMENT IVE EVER HEARD, IT COMES
 >>CLOSE...i dont know who you think you are (on a level of education) to say
 >>such a statement, but this is soooo far from the truth
 >
 >Please take a look at our posting guidelines at:
 >http://www.insulin-pumpers.org/netiquette.shtml
 >
 >Although it's perfectly fine to present your own opinions, name calling is
 >never acceptable. As soon as you start using demeaning words about another
 >poster, things start going downhill very rapidly. Here is our policy:
 >
> >Flaming will not be tolerated. "Flaming" is what people do when they 
> make an
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 >
 >Thank you for your cooperation.
 >
 >Sam Skopp
 >One of the volunteer Insulin Pumpers administrators

Then after he gave me his luke warm "sorry, but I didn't think I flamed" 
response, I then wrote:

 >>At 05:09 PM 8/16/2002 email @ redacted wrote:
 >>> WOW, IF THATS NOT THE MOST IGNORANT STATEMENT IVE EVER HEARD, IT COMES
 >>>CLOSE...i dont know who you think you are (on a level of education) to say
 >>>such a statement, but this is soooo far from the truth
 >>
 >>Please take a look at our posting guidelines at:
 >>http://www.insulin-pumpers.org/netiquette.shtml
 >>
 >>Although it's perfectly fine to present your own opinions, name calling is
 >>never acceptable. As soon as you start using demeaning words about another
 >>poster, things start going downhill very rapidly. Here is our policy:
 >>
 >>Flaming will not be tolerated. "Flaming" is what people do when they 
make an
 >>emotionally opinionated comment using language intended to be
 >>confrontational. For this list, flaming is defined as personal attacks
 >>and/or criticism of another list member that have the effect of holding
 >>another person up to harsh ridicule, demeaning them as a person, or
 >>otherwise inflicting hostility or anger on them. What one person may
 >>understand to be friendly kidding, another may perceive as hostile 
flaming.
 >>
 >>To help control the flaming impulse, remember: everyone has an opinion, a
 >>life, and a value; don't try to demean that
 >>
 >>Be kind and think twice before responding; sometimes the most appropriate
 >>response is a nicely worded private e-mail instead of posting to the list.
 >>
 >>Flaming helps no one, not even yourself; remember you may be losing the
 >>respect of hundreds of people you have never even seen before
 >>
 >>Repeated flaming offenses will result in your list membership being revoked.
 >
 >>
 >>Thank you for your cooperation.
 >>
 >>Sam Skopp
 >>One of the volunteer Insulin Pumpers administrators
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